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No Pilgrims and Indians

Wed, 11/26/2008 - 7:59am by cine_lover
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What I do not understand is why not take the holiday as a time to educate the children. There is nothing wrong with the dress up, children, especially young children learn best when their creativity is sparked. It is a sad day when we begin to take away imagination.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-thanksgiving25-2008nov25,0,14580...

Claremont parents clash over kindergarten Thanksgiving costumes

Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times
Condit Elementary School parents including Lynette Struve and Andrew Loeffler, wearing a headdress, gathered in support of their children's right to wear traditional Thanksgiving costumes. The school will hold its annual event without the children dressed in costume.
Some say having students dress up as pilgrims and Native Americans is 'demeaning.' Their opponents say they are elitists injecting politics into a simple children's celebration.
By Seema Mehta
November 25, 2008
For decades, Claremont kindergartners have celebrated Thanksgiving by dressing up as pilgrims and Native Americans and sharing a feast. But on Tuesday, when the youngsters meet for their turkey and songs, they won't be wearing their hand-made bonnets, headdresses and fringed vests.

Parents in this quiet university town are sharply divided over what these construction-paper symbols represent: A simple child's depiction of the traditional (if not wholly accurate) tale of two factions setting aside their differences to give thanks over a shared meal? Or a cartoonish stereotype that would never be allowed of other racial, ethnic or religious groups?

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"It's demeaning," Michelle Raheja, the mother of a kindergartner at Condit Elementary School, wrote to her daughter's teacher. "I'm sure you can appreciate the inappropriateness of asking children to dress up like slaves (and kind slave masters), or Jews (and friendly Nazis), or members of any other racial minority group who has struggled in our nation's history."

Raheja, whose mother is a Seneca, wrote the letter upon hearing of a four-decade district tradition, where kindergartners at Condit and Mountain View elementary schools take annual turns dressing up and visiting the other school for a Thanksgiving feast. This year, the Mountain View children would have dressed as Native Americans and walked to Condit, whose students would have dressed as Pilgrims.

Raheja, an English professor at UC Riverside who specializes in Native American literature, said she met with teachers and administrators in hopes that the district could hold a public forum to discuss alternatives that celebrate thankfulness without "dehumanizing" her daughter's ancestry.

"There is nothing to be served by dressing up as a racist stereotype," she said.

Last week, rumors began to circulate on both campuses that the district was planning to cancel the event, and infuriated parents argued over the matter at a heated school board meeting Thursday. District Supt. David Cash announced at the end of the meeting that the two schools had tentatively decided to hold the event without the costumes, and sent a memo to parents Friday confirming the decision.

Cash and the principals of Condit and Mountain View did not respond to interview requests.

But many parents, who are convinced the decision was made before the board meeting, accused administrators of bowing to political correctness.

Kathleen Lucas, a Condit parent who is of Choctaw heritage, said her son -- now a first-grader -- still wears the vest and feathered headband he made last year to celebrate the holiday.

"My son was so proud," she said. "In his eyes, he thinks that's what it looks like to be Indian."

Among the costume supporters, there is a vein of suspicion that casts Raheja and others opposed to the costumes as agenda-driven elitists. Of the handful of others who spoke with Raheja against the costumes at the board meeting, one teaches at the University of Redlands, one is an instructor at Riverside Community College, and one is a former Pitzer College professor.

Raheja is "using those children as a political platform for herself and her ideas," Constance Garabedian said as her 5-year-old Mountain View kindergartner happily practiced a song about Native Americans in the background. "I'm not a professor and I'm not a historian, but I can put the dots together."

The debate is far from over. Some parents plan to send their children to school in costume Tuesday -- doubting that administrators will force them to take them off. The following day, some plan to keep their children home, costing the district attendance funds to punish them for modifying the event.

"She's not going to tell us what we can and cannot wear," said Dena Murphy, whose 5-year-old son attends Mountain View. "We're tired of [district officials] cowing down to people. It's not right."

But others hoped that tempers would calm over the long holiday weekend, and the community could come together to have a fruitful discussion about Thanksgiving and its meaning.

"Its always a good thing to think about, critically, how we teach kids, even from very young ages, the message we want them to learn, and the respect for the diversity of the American experiences," said Jennifer Tilton, an assistant professor of race and ethnic studies at the University of Redlands and a Claremont parent who opposes the costumes.

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  • 1

    I was an indian in a Thanksgiving play. I was chosen for the part because I kind of look the part. I wasn't offended by that and it did not screw me up later in life. I hate all of this political correctness BS.

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  • 3

    I agree Piper. My Dad always tells me that part of the problem with this country is that everyone is ALWAYS sooo worried about what everyone else thinks. People nowadays have no backbone. People get all upset and hurt over the stupidest things. I agree with him 100%. GET OVER IT. There are other things to be worried about. When I was younger I would get picked on because my Step-Dad was "white" Did it hurt? YES. Did I cry? YES. But, guess what...I got OVER IT. I didn't let it define me and it made me stronger.

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  • 4

    Geez! Why can't kids use a creative way to learn about the history of the holiday. Pretty soon we're not going to be allowed to have any holidays. Of all holidays, I thought Thanksgiving was safe since it's not a religious one, but good grief. This type of stuff makes me want to consider private schooling for my daughter.

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  • 5

    Why do self righteous PC adults always look to take some innocent fun away from children? They dress up- Its not like they are chasing each other around trying to slaughter each other. They are celebrating a feast. Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, look out Mr. Easter bunny they are coming for you next.
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  • 6

    Girlbassit, and then you have to select the private school very very carefully. My son went to private school and we were unaware how liberal the school was/is ? The 3 Rs are now in competition with learning all about "Diversity"-- which is just another name for liberal indoctrination.

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  • 7

    Yep, that's very true. I'll start her out in public school and see how it goes. We live in a very good school district and around here it's almost crazy to send your kids to private school on the thought of it giving a better education. Pilgrim Another pilgrim

    6 weeks 9 hours ago Report Comment
  • 8

    I just watched the Charlie Brown special last night and was thinking there is no way people would allow that if it were released this year. It is sad.I don't see how erasing all history and traditions on holidays because you are scared of offending someone is the best way to live life.

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  • 9

    Well they might go the way Our Gang went. Some casino rich aboriginal american tribe could buy it up and lock it away.
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    6 weeks 8 hours ago Report Comment
  • 10

    You beat me to it, I was going to come post this exact story!

    Oh, but this is culturally insensitive and glorifies genocide. Puh-leez!

    Pamela: "Diversity" is also a code word for white guilt.
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    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville

    6 weeks 8 hours ago Report Comment
  • 11

    Thanks Laine! lol! don't know why on earth they don't just say that term "white guilt" instead??? It is what it is!

    6 weeks 7 hours ago Report Comment
  • 12

    'cause its racist.
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  • 14

    Tag your it!
    another runner
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    6 weeks 7 hours ago Report Comment
  • 16

    Its bad enough the adults will have to forego certian things soon, now we are taking away from kids! BS.

    6 weeks 5 hours ago Report Comment
  • 17

    wtf?
    here I always thought that dressing up as a member of a different culture helped children understand that there are other cultures, beliefs, and ways of life beside their own

    6 weeks 5 hours ago Report Comment
  • 18

    think we are finding ourselves in a free-fall moving leftwards --

    6 weeks 4 hours ago Report Comment
  • 19

    Screw the private vs. public school debate. When I have kids, I'm packing them up and homeschooling them in a tiny log cabin in the woods, Kaczyski-style. And we'll wear Native American costumes as we hunt for fluffy adorable woodland creatures with our big ass M-16 rifles and shout Bible verses as we pour motor oil into all the local streams and rivers.

    I feel its my patriotic duty...

    6 weeks 1 hour ago Report Comment
  • 20

    Sarah, the M-16 is acually a relatively small ass rifle :laughing:

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  • 22

    Sarah step away from the turkey and keep your hands where we can see them. Eye-wink
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  • 23

    Pam be careful what she is not telling is where she put the landmines
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  • 24

    Oh... maybe we'll save the M-16's for anyone under the age of 6. It will free up my hands so I can steer the tank as we track down Bambi's mom.

    Eye-wink

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  • 28

    That's good advice, but I don't think a .270 caliber has the carbon footprint and tree destroying capabilities of a tank. It would also come in handy when I inevitable suffer a psychological break and head into town to cast my ballot for the local elections, and let my opinion be known in other ways, of course...

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  • 29

    Run bambi RUN!!!!!!!!

    Sarah we are working on an escape plan for you. I have the spoons for everyone to dig you out.
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  • 31

    Spoons? You sound like a liberal. Get some dynamite and a bulldozer with horrible gas mileage for good measure.

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  • 32

    Sweetie you are going down in Berkley, we need to blend in to get you out. There is nothing worse then a scared rabid liberal mob. Spoons and Prius'. I will even get "FREE SARAH" tie-dye shirts for all.
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  • 33

    Now when you go into town, THAT is when you want your M-16. That is a .223 caliber, and has a nice rate of fire, and a decent mag capacity.

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  • 34

    Sarah you have me laughing out loud literally. Good thing I'm the only one home right now.

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  • 35

    Grandpa, your one scary old dude. Eye-wink I like that.
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  • 37

    Perhaps I should make this a private thread?

    Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

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  • 38

    That's a good thing - right?!
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  • 39

    Cine - yeah. We would not want this used against Sarah in court or me for aiding and abetting her escape.
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    "Enjoy life, it's ungrateful not to." - Ronald Reagan

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  • 40

    Ooh... I could call myself a political prisoner and get Code Pink to come sing me songs and protest for my release. They would totally do it, too, because they're into using any means necessary to advance a political agenda, right? And they're open-minded and tolerant people, right?

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  • 41

    For some reason this won't go private, so lets just be careful about who you want to shoot. Smiling

    Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

    6 weeks 1 hour ago Report Comment